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Pan Trinbago
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2009-08-31 5:24:00 PM
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Patrick Arnold and his bunch of limers have been sucking taxpayers money too long.We need hardworking ,progressive people to handle the business of pan |
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Steelpan Dead
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2009-08-31 8:23:00 PM
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Boogsie is right. Anything that is run by govt or quasi govt in TnT is doomed to fail because the only interest any elected or appointed official has is keeping that position or moving higher. As long as politics remains a career instead of a service anything it has its hands on is doomed to fail! |
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Boogsie Is Right Again!
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2009-09-01 02:03:00 AM
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The present officers of Pantrinbago should resign gracefully and accept the fact that they have tried and failed. Under Arnold's tenure, no real advances have been made. His annual ritual of demanding more money from government at panorama time, betrays his inability to create a self-sustaining organization, a lack of clear vision and ineptness at planning, marketing and managing this vital aspect of our culture and heritage. I am not surprised by his foolish response about having "something new." I congratulate Boogsie on receiving his long overdue honor and for the courage to ask Arnold to do the right thing for the future of pan. |
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Re: Boogsie Is Right Again!
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2009-09-01 10:26:00 AM
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I live in switzerland since 25 years and know personally people which did so much to make pan known here in Europe. The Government in Trinidad do not even know this. Do you know that we have a Pan News paper which is pubished since years here in Zürich.Switzerland have more than 100 small bands. Anyone coming here and wants to inform themselves can even get the info over the internet including to buy different pans and where there is party with pan music. In the land of pan we are far from this. A tourist coming to T & T and wants to find renegades he might have problems to get their if he is not rubbed before. Boogsie knows about the pan culture here in Zürich since he comes here often, even Arnold knows e.g. Mr. Kauer who i think deserves to get an award since he does more for pan than these people in Tidco
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Businessmen should run pantrinbago
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2009-09-01 03:34:00 AM
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Who made Patrick Arnold head of Pan Trinbago? The panmen should form themselves into a business, vote for their own president and run their organization. Pan could survive if at least some of the band leaders were innovative enough. This dependency syndrome has to stop in Trinidad and Tobago. |
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Agreement
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2009-09-01 04:15:00 AM
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As an ex official of Pan Trinbago (Tobago Region), I certainly agree with Mr Sharpe.
I hold the view that Pan Trinbago is not operating like a business. Unless and until the organization ceases its dependence on government funding, it will continue to operate as a seasonal carnival organization.
While Panorama is the biggest event the organization organizes, it is also the downfall of the organization, whose main focus is obtaining government funding for prizes.
The organization whould, by now, have been able to fund it own operations if a business approach had been taken over the last ten years.
Like all businesses, critical decisions would have been made relative to 'products' or events which whould have contributed to the organization's profitability.
It is very ironic that all oganizations who sponsor bands, do so from a business perspective; yet, the organization to which these bands belong operates in a non-buiness like manner.
One just has to look at the failure of the organization to complete the building of its headquarters. While I am unaware of the reason for this, it certainly adds to the lack of credibility of the organization.
I give credit to Mr Arnold (my friend) for bringing the organization to the levels it has in terms of stability and national recognition. However, the time has come for its advancement as a business organization which truely represents the interests of the pannists.
In this regard, the organization itself should be able to assist the business development of all steelbands. As in all businesses, some will be successful others may fail; but at the end of the day, each band would be operating in a competitive environment and responsible for their own operations thus lessening the reliance on government funding.
Cecil P Phillips, CPA/MBA
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Hall of Fame
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2009-09-01 05:47:00 AM
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Why, in the country that created the art of music that is known as steelpan music and has invented the steel pan that produces that sweet art form, and in fact, the only new musical instrument of the 21 Century, there is not a Hall Fame for these men? T'dad spent millions of dollars on all sorts of items, important,yes, but not on this one world famous item. No wonder other international people who took notice of, and recognizing that T'dad has done nothing about it to give it world prominence and is still doing nothing about it, has attempted to grab hold of it for themselves. I say it 's about time to step up to the plate and act. A Hall of Fame for both the steelpan men & women and a Hall of Fame for the men & women Calypsonian. Both need the recognition, because they both deserve it and one could not have thrived without the other. |
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Kudos to Boogsie
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2009-09-01 06:27:00 AM
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You are not alone in your opinion of the direction the steelpan movement in T&T should be heading and you must be commended for speaking out in that forum, especially face to face with the incumbent Pantrinbago leader.It is time that people realize as yiou indicated that steelpan is a business and for a large business to succeed it must be led by good businessmen. Mr. Arnold et al clearly has no love or desire to see the steelpan movement in T&T flourish else they would have stepped down a long time ago. |
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pan dead right now
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2009-09-01 03:49:00 AM
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boogies is right on in music and in words. business should be run by reconized business people. The goal should be to stand on it own two feet and not rely on government for funds.Also to expose kids to pan at earlier stages.It worked on me. |
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Same Khaki pants
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2009-09-01 08:30:00 AM
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"You have it wrong, you have it wrong. We have something new." Wow, every year this man talking the same nonsense, about how he has something new. Steelband music has been dead int eh country of it's invention for about ten years now, the fact that Boogsie's efforts are only now being recognised is testement to this fact. That the sad thing is that nothing will change, absolutely nothing, trust me. |
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Steelpan is dead in T&T
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2009-09-01 09:50:00 AM
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Time and Time again, refernce is made to "pan" being the National Instrument of T&T, particularly by those who seem always to want the government to step in ..to save our National Instrument, amid fear that "we go lose it", that "forigeners teefin we thing" etc etc,. This phenomenon,however, appears to be rather unique to T&T, as firstly I am not aware as to any other country having a National Instrument, and secondly if there were, I doubt that there is any great concerned that it would be "stolen" to the point where a government save and resuce mission is at the top of anyone's priority list.
As for the comment "steelpan being dead and only a person with business in their blood would be able to ensure its revival" I am not sure if we are talking about the instruement or the art of playing same, nonetheless, I am at a lost when trying to make a comparison with that instrument and playing of same as I would a piano, or for that matter any other instrument. I simply cannot envision the death of a piano, or a "cuatro" and more importantly what would be or coud be done upon its death. And I am really cuirious as to "who kill pan" ? how come it dead?
The business of an instrument is dependent upon whatever "investment" the business world may wish to make in order to profit from same. Government has no place in the business of instrument, making, playing, or subsidzing
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New President for Pan Trinbago
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2009-09-01 10:11:00 AM
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This sentiment has been echoed thousands of times by many intelligent steelpanists and yet the powers that be doesn't seem to know that Pan Trinbago is not run efficiently and personal interests are put before the interest of the organisation. A new President is needed . |
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Steel Pan is dead
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2009-09-01 10:48:00 AM
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I agree with Boogsie. How can an association run fairly by member bands representatives? Each one of these executive 'have they band' I can start making association but it doesn't make sense. They seek the interest of their own band and that of their supporters. That is why there will always be a division.
Have they supported Proffesor Copland and the G-Pans? Are theysupportive of the P.H.I.? Anything in their way they will not support. Is it ignorance? Everything the Proffesor is doing is for the betterment of the pan. Is it because they re not interested because they didn't invent
This organization could never run good. The mmbership is like children and the executive like their teacher, whatever they say goes or you will be victimized |
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Steelpan dead
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2009-09-01 06:55:00 AM
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Mr Sharpe as usual speaks without thinking.He is not thinking before he speaks.The steelpan movement is very much alive and thriving.He should look around and study what is happening.I dont believe he should blame the steelband orginaziation.Mr Arnold has done a good job for steelpan.Boogsie shoul try to unite his fellow panmen for a better pan organization. |
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Is Pan dead?
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2009-09-01 10:18:00 AM
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Yes. No pan dey in de party!
All jokes aside, if these same fellows who committ crime turn to pan, that would be pan rising and people uplifting this musical instrument to be the equal to any in the world. I see more pan societies around the US in colleges, universiities and in places where one would not expect to see pan. From the cornfields of Northern Illinois to the hills of West Virginia. That is real pan! |
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Steelpan is dead
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2009-09-01 11:23:00 AM
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I agree Boogsie, I agree that because of the movement, Pantrinbago, we are losing out on a Billion $dollar industry. The Total executive is looking after their band. They are power hungry. We need to revisit the constitution of Pantrinbago to allow a board of Directors run the business part of developing the steelpan in Trinidad. Distinguished sons and daughters appointed by yhe President. Let the Executive continue to look after their bands. |
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Boogsie is Boss
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2009-09-01 09:37:00 AM
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I just writing because i love pan and I love Boogsie, he is absolutely correct, Pan In Danger. |
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Pan is dead
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2009-09-01 1:57:00 PM
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Congratulations Boogsie! 80% of the people don't know how much you have done self-lessly for the Steel Band Movement. I thank you for giving the music the respectability it deserves. I also want to thank other Arrangers like, you know,your colleagues.The people don't know of your involvement in the making of the pan and it's development, it's just as important to you like your music. It goes hand in hand. Boogsie, it's like the local Government reform, unless we postpone elections and revisit the constitution with reform in mind, everything would repeat itself. Patrick and his 'Boys' would be re-elected and for the next 3 years, we will be criticizing the Organization for the next 3 years. I know a lot of incumbents would be using this medium to canvass for the scheduled election This is a good opportunity to highlight the wrongs of Pantrinbago as an organization appointed by the House of Parliament to look after the affairs of the STEELBANDS.You realize I said Steelbands. Oh Yes! Let us be clear, Steelbands. No one ever said the business aspect of the Steelbands, the Industry of Trinidad and Tobago SteelPans, its Marketing trust both in music and pan Manufacturing Sector. Pantrinbago should run like a trade union, representing the bands' membership. According to Dr. Sparrow, that is all, that is all, that is all.
By the way Boogsie, when last have you been to a Pantrinbago Meeting? This one is important. Come and support the cause of which we are speaking. (friend from d East) |
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Sweet pan is dead
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2009-09-01 2:33:00 PM
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Well all of you must see this as a wake up call. It's not too late. Just become businesslike and shrewd in your undertakings. Pan has come too far to let it get away like that. Wake up, get educated in the business field. This has happened because too many of you stood by just having too much of a good time!! Learn my people learn. Hugs from the US |
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Reset the Steelpan: musicianship, not businessmen
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2009-09-01 4:23:00 PM
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Over a halfcentury of experience with steelpan developlment informs us that money is not the solution. Musicianship, and not businessmen, is what is lacking. The steelpan is dead because it has yet to find its place among the other instruments. To attract listeners beyond the diehards, pan needs quality compositions and arrangements. |
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Re: Reset the Steelpan: musicianship, not businessmen
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2009-09-01 5:29:00 PM
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Pan is lacking a good business model. Look how all the setta garbage coming out of the 'copying soca singers' and they can afford to put on a show and pay one million dollars for the crap they sing to the winner.
Patrick in the usa |
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Totally Agree with Boogsie
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2009-09-01 3:41:00 PM
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It is sad to know that the steel pan was the only musical instrument to be created within its time yet many in the world does not know about it or its origin. As Mr Sharpe said the steel pan is a business and we really need business heads to be affiliated with it. It is about time that we start marketing the steel pan and showing more respect to the players of the instrument. My husband has played with a well known steel band in Trinidad for years and from the stories I heard about the way steel pan players are treated our economy can do better for them. It is about time the elders of these organizations step down and give others a chance once they realise they cant take the instrument to a different level but then again that jus may not happen it is easy money in their pockets. There is nothing wrong with asking for help especially wen it is help to bring about betterment for our nation.
Trini in ny |
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Pan is Dying
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2009-09-01 4:32:00 PM
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Boogsie, I wouldn't say pan is DEAD, not yet. Pan is dying and according to one writer, unless we do something now, like change the constitution, to allow the business people to look after the development of the pan industry, it sall surely die.
Professor Copland and his team have made tremendous stride in developing the G-Pans and the P.H.I.(percussive harmonic instrument)and Pantrinbago executives are 'playing down' the good work. They have put some order, musical order in a scientific way. The Professor has arranged the Pan Family Instruments in an international, |
